They actually already did this when comparing SACD vs. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. Since this is just for SACD vs SACD I'll start a thread on my preferred mastering for jazz and classical for all digital formats. Boy, what a difference. culabula, May 3, 2020 #11. SACD, to me, just doesn't sound real, life-like, or true. bmpnyc. It ain't dead to me at all, thanks in no small part to our host. CD was based on limited video tape storage capacity, and also on 1970s computing power. November 4th for CBAT. • SHM Single Layer SACDs. MP3 is a very common form of lossy compression, which can have bit rates from 32 kilobits per second (kbps) up to 320 kbps. #13. DSD uses delta-sigma modulation a form of pulse-density modulation encoding, a technique to represent audio signals in digital format, a sequence of single-bit values at a sampling rate of 2. There are more albums where I compared against a standard CD. I don’t care what they claim they did to the CD. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. Dam and Dorian75 like this. SACD Specifications. There’s no shortage of non audiophile hybrid disks that are $35+ vs. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. Vinyl. Bluntness acknowledged as you being quite passionate, or convinced that the 20th anniversary SACD version is poor at best It was actually the first SACD I bought many years ago, even without owning an SACD capable player at the time. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. SHM-SACD vs UK Vinyl. e. By Kimo January 22, 2012 in General Forum. Packaging: Nicest packaging and faithful reproduction of the original album. I much prefer CD to SACD. Note the. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. Luke theorizes that the 2003 SACD and the MFSL were sourced from an LP cutting master and that the original master mixes were used on the Biograph and GHII remasters. The critics used a very expensive sacd player against a very expensive turntable. I think the Doug Sax mastering has a slight edge over the other two and the funny thing is. kevintomb Forum Resident. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". First I played my vinyl copy yesterday and found it be exquisite. On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. We specialize in vinyl records and turntables. ? How Much Do We Need To Spend To Hear High Quality CD/SACD or Vinyl Reproduction. I own the SHM-SACD of Who's Next along with CD's mastered by Doug Sax & our host. Although this recording was digital, the Parsons 2017 remaster actually sounds more analogue than the original cd. I don’t care what they claim they did to the CD. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. But CDs are fine. The real advantage of a (multichannel) SACD player is the ability to listen to the surround sound recording. Vinyl Box Sets Numbered Limited Edition UltraDisc One-Step 45rpm SuperVinyl 2LP Box Set AMOBUD 028 $124. Same thing goes for SACD. #4. Then I bought the new SACD version. . The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. Boy, what a difference. better stereo separation, etc. (2014 Mercury BluRay 0602537736973) Allman Brothers Band-Brothers and Sisters (2014 MFSL SACD HR UDSACD 2103) Allman Brothers Band-Eat A Peach (2004 Mecury SACD HR B0002439-36) Allman Brothers Band-Eat a. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. SACD. The yellow arrow indicates the rise in noise above 30 kHz in the SACD due to the DSD64 encoding. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. This gives SACD a very distinct improvement in transient response. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by swinger, Mar 2, 2004. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. Yes, but SACD's extend far above redbook. . comparing your AV receiver's DAC to your CD player's DAC is completely valid. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. . The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. I’ll explain in a minute, but first I want to make sure we know what the SACD format is, and what makes it different from a standard compact disc. True. The Beethoven symphony cycle on LSO Live (Haitink, 2006) is an SACD hybrid set. onlyconnect, Sep 19, 2020. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. Sucks that there's no general concensus as to which CD is better, aside from the SACD. I have most of the recordings you mention and they're all great. Then I bought the new SACD version. Even if. It’s a Japanese copy of Dire Straits first lp. Claus , Feb 11, 2015 So, my completely subjective vote will go for DVD-A (or SACD). Both sound great but I only want to keep one. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. Virtual. The 777ES does not perform at its best upon power-on. Seems like for PG3 one should definitely get Classic Records Vinyl, for PG1 SACD gets closer to vinyl, but still the vinyl has upper hand. You will enjoy the contrast and comparison. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. SACD has less expensive equipment than vinyl and it requires a whole lot less fuss to run. I’ve already evaluated Grundman’s mastering of Can’t Buy a Thrill in a Mini-TBVO on my blog, and I plan to evaluate every AP remaster as part of a mini or full. I’m about to open a subjective can of worms here. Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. Alpharetta. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. The sound of the two versions is similar. DJM CD very excellent as is the MCA clone mastering of the DJM. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. I think it would be wise if all nicely done remasterings today (for CD, vinyl, SACD, whatever) also include a back-up/safety copy of the actual master tape (plus minor EQ changes if necessary) onto 24/192. I like SACD as a format, but it's kind of pointless for me when nothing I listen to is on it, and the few things that may peak my interest (i. Also, do you think SACD has good future in the massive market? I also posted this thread in the "digital" seecion, sorry about that but some people only enter to this section. I don't know which is more truthful. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Today I compared it with the 2003 SACD. Szeppelin75, Nov 7, 2016. Never heard the 2003, soi i can't vote, but the 20016 BG cut sounds amazing to my ears. Given the same mastering, vinyl is still better than redbook. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Not that the SACD doesn't sound really good. 10 per disc, while the royalty on a DVD-Audio disc was around four times higher. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Nantes, France. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I found pretty cheap options in my local stores with used items: DVD player - Philips DVD-SACD 763SA (has SACD support) SACD player - SONY SCD-XE670. Sponsor NewsMini-meet Shootout: AKG K1000 vs. Get either the target Morrison Hotel CD or the Audio Fidelity. I did the comparison via my Stax Lambda Pro headphone system (which can be quite revealing). 10/disc royalty for CDs. One is the MFSL version which I loved. But in the last month I have finally picked up an SACD player and I was looking to pick up the SACD of Dark Side, in fact I had started to price them when I saw this. Thread: SACD Vs. SACD's can tend to have better mastering and transfer than standard CD releases of the same album. Sorry about my bad English. The MFSL SACD I could tell immediately that it didn't hold a candle to the MFSL 2-45 issue, or I think even the MOV mono pressing. Music; Vinyl Records; 45 RPM Vinyl Record; Fleetwood Mac - Rumours. We really need to move on, but SACD and DVD-A and BluRay have so far not killed the Red Book standard disc. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. The most notable proof of this is the CD4 quadraphonic system which relied on a 45 kHz bandwidth. IMHO. It's ok if you like 'that' sound. If you like SACDs, the 2004 reissue of Relaxin’ by the Miles Davis Quintet sounds equally fantastic, albeit a little different with a brighter high end and more noticeable amounts of tape hiss. These backup copies could be used for future releases whenever a new convenient data medium comes around. SACD vs. With respect to SACD vs. By Paul Sinclair. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. The vinyl has a noise rise and a peak around 30 kHz. Disagree. g. Dec 10, 2005. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. . I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. The "Mastertape" version though more detailed and seemingly purer sounds flatter in eq. DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - 45 RPM Vinyl Record. The band's incendiary…I agree to a point, but "everything matters" and adding an well built, linear power supply to my source made a subtle but very, very noticeable improvement as did cableing, power cables, isolation, etc. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. This opinion is based on over 2 dozen CD, SACD/CD players and transport/DACS I've heard here over the past 18 months. The band did NOT like it at all. . The fact that the DSD pulse train VISUALLY happens to look more like the analog signal than the string of binary numbers that result from PCM encoding is meaningless - since both must be converted to analog audio anyway. New Jersey, USA. But I don't have an LP with the exact same mastering as an SACD so I can't do any type of apples-to-apples comparison (and even then equipment comes in to play). I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. Newly remastered by Bernie Grundman, from the original analog master tapes! Includes both mono and stereo mixes — Pure DSD sound! *cd layer contains stereo mix only. Plays in all CD and SACD players. Vinyl is an analog storage medium, which means there is a physical record of the music imprinted. That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. Third - Single side Japanese SACD . These have to be the quietest set of CDs to be mastered in the “modern era”. . I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Tip about the 1812, the first cannon shot is the toughest of the lot to track, that one is a beastie (the Shure V 15 Type IV mounted on a SME III tonearm came closest in the day, or the Audio-Technica 440 ML). Be fun to have that and play mastering engineer. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. However, we find a significant variation of the levels of the top of the spectrum (above 15 kHz) due to an equalization or to the burning head (red zone). On LPs, it’s 30 dB at best. My Soft Parade pressing actually sounds quite good: The Doors – The Soft Parade (1970, Terre Haute Pressing, Gatefold, Vinyl) Chrome_Head, Jun 9, 2021. I guess it shows you how much cheaper. Boy, what a difference. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. Certainly better than 3 or 4 other vinyl versions I have owned over the years. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue SACD – (out of print) – While this all time classic is available on all kinds of vinyl – you will have to make it your audiophile mission to find a used copy on SACD because it was released and it was good. The SACD versions bring the best of the digital versions with the MOFI SACD followed by the 1999 SACD. . I have two completely different setups for vinyl, and digital, and my vinyl is always a little more bass and drums heavy, past that, no glaring differences. Pepper hit the charts. They pretty much mirror each other in my opinion. This is the reason why Pink Floyd did NOT consider Alan Parsons. This is really about "The Downward Spiral" re-release. . SACD debate, there is no definitive answer to which format offers the ultimate listening experience. Both formats offer unique qualities that appeal to discerning music enthusiasts, and the choice between them often comes down to personal preference and the pursuit of sonic perfection. . I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Vinyl vs SACD. CCR SACD vs new vinyl. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. Nevertheless, the advantages are obviously. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. Search Head Gear. well i'd say you have to take it on a title by title basis with SACD, as with any medium source and mastering are key. Analog sources- CD vs. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. The higher the bitrate, the better the sound quality. It's not exactly chopped liver sonically as I recall, but I will likely go for the MFSL SACD as well, if only to get a nice redbook to boot. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. SACD (white) vs Bluray (blue) The pressing quality of 2022 vinyl is not always perfect, but often a wash will solve the problem. vinyl, I don't have vinyl so can't really tell. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. During the summer I don't get much seat time in front of the stereo so it might be a week or more before my next chance. Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. I just don't have many detailed DVD-Audio discs. Rolling Stone ranked them No. ) than the original 2002 redbook CD. I am in the process of sending an album back because of excess snaps, clicks and pops and it is a brand new 180 gm recording. Look how far CD sound has come in the last 20. Endymion, Apr 22, 2015. #6. IGNORED Shootout: 24 bit vs. Vinyl. (Not Eligible for Additional Discount) $35. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. No change in data , no change in sound , simple as that. 00. Boy, what a difference. Better than vinyl, better than reel-to-reel, better than CD and even better than DVD-Audio. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Posted August 3, 2011. It is probably a more accurate rendition of the master tape but with my turntable and on. gloomrider, Feb 20, 2014 #177. It's about the music you like. Sure it has a tint, but what doesn't? Vinyl has a tint. DSD vs SACD vs Vinyl Whenever I look for an older album or artist, seemingly WITHOUT FAIL they are not available as a DSD download. swanlee, Dec 8, 2012. Sign in with Twitter. Midrange is sweet. I don't know which is more truthful. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Moody Blues "Question of bal. But most of us here are comfortable and familiar with it. Then I bought the new SACD version. sacd vs other formats IGNORED sacd vs other formats. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. The differences between them, resolution wise, are huge since XRCD is a pure red book format at 16/44. some of the older quadrophonic recordings now being reissued), or are pieces which were designed for surround sound (e. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. As for sound I am betting you will become a believer in the merits of vinyl. Vinyl has more. 112 posts total. If. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. This is the average EQ of the first track, Tears of Rage. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. But I don't like surface noise or pops or skips. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountThere was a comparison of this sacd against a vinyl record (first printing). I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. 3. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Like a garage/ alley band. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. garfish. But when I compare the same piece issued both on SACD and vinyl (Channel Records, Pentatone), SACD carries the day by a whisker: a touch airier, a slightly truer tone and yes, an even better “flow” that facilitate following the musical argument. I can see how people still prefer vinyl over any other digital format, but this is most likely more subjective (vinyl has a special sound which is nice, no doubt). Then the sleeves and inner sleeves. I don't like SACD. I don't know which is more truthful. The vinyl was much better. I would be interested to hear what you guys think as well!Maybe I should have included the current MOFI SACD & vinyl. DeTurk quickly added, "The vinyl's sound always destroys the peak-limited, 16-bit CD version, it kills it dead. CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. Ironically, the royalty for an SACD was the same as for a CD: $. On September 16th Analogue Productions announced they will reissue the entire ABC/MCA Records Steely Dan catalog on SACD, and 45rpm UHQR LP, beginning November 4th with their debut album Can't Buy A Thrill, now in its 50th anniversary year. 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. (Figures IIRC, can't find citation at the moment. . I personally wouldn't get either. Weirdly, the reviewer concluded that Vinyl is superior to SACD/DVD-A. . Many audiophiles choose to embrace both formats, recognizing that each. A Secret Lab. CDs are a digital music storage medium, meaning the music is encoded as binary data. CCR: I like both the DCC and the Analogue Production SACD versions, and both are highly lauded. The standard CD format is a 2-channel, 16-bit, 44. Not making "excuses" for SACD, just making a point. At least they aren’t loudified. Mastered: Doug Sax, James Guthrie, Joel Plante. Often times, the. I would rank each. although DVD-Audio does sound great too. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. LeeS said: ↑. The SACD features the 2018 remix of the iconic 1977 Pink Floyd album for the first time, by long-time producer/engineer James Guthrie. It was released on two formats: On vinyl record, as an Ultradisc ‘One-Step’ Limited Edition 33⅓ rpm LP, pressed on Neotech’s Super Vinyl™ contained in a commemorative slip box, (and), on CD, as a single Ultradisc 'UHR' Super Audio Compact Disc (SACD) contained in a gatefold card sleeve. The recording/tracking ability of vinyl is easily at least 50 kHz and perhaps as high as 100 kHz. Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. ) Reel-to-reel can be better, but tapes are fragile and rare, then the players have been out of production for decades and require expensive maintenance from. On the one hand, Norah Jone's 2012 Come Away with Me SACD has better overall sound quality (dynamic range, detail, etc. 24 bit: Best of the bunch. The 2003 hybrid SACD and the MFSL feature the original mix, but they have inferior sound to the JWH tracks which appear on the 1997 Biograph remaster and the 1999 GHII remaster. I don't know which is more truthful. Vinyl. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. As an example, I have Norah Jones - Come Away With Me SACD hybrid and vinyl, but later I found out the SACD version I have was mastered from redbook (wrongly done by Sony. The Royal Scam features more prominent guitar work than the prior Steely Dan album, Katy Lied, which had been the first without founding guitarist Jeff Baxter. . Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . . Slight increase in frequency range and they also have a lot more features on the Blu-ray disc that are fun to play with. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering in 7. It plays PCM and may not do high res. Lower bitrates are used only for speech. The original purpose was a sonic comparison of MQA to SACD in the physical realm. When Analogue Productions announced it would be releasing Bernie Grundman-mastered versions of the complete Steely Dan catalog on vinyl and SACD, audiophiles rejoiced. Even better than the regular SACD with even clearer presentation. The other thing to keep in mind is that SACD is a format in its infancy. Location: United States. Thank you. Hopefully this will give you some ability to make a fairly knowledgeable leap to make the album purchase one way or another. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. . or Add to Wishlist. Hello everybody. Vinyl. 1 kHz setup. I'm a pretty big NIN fan, so price isn't a problem, I'm just wondering if the Vinyl player would be higher quality than the SACD Deluxe Version. The one thing about the AP SACDs is one really has to jack up the volume. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. So I did. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. All great stuff and this combined with the revitalized vinyl market bodes well for my enjoyment of music at home and is a much brighter picture than I saw when the future of audio seemed only CD and compressed. It’s appalling the crap they’re releasing to kids these days… Cheap recycled vinyl, pushing the acetate to the limit or until it’ ground in some spots. Two channel SACD just blew away the CD's, while hybrids were not out yet I had albums that I had both the CD and the SACD to compare. Once you listen to the unbelievable sound of the grandfather clock chiming you. Let those on the discussion who know Sonos explain what Sonos can do and play better. Cardioid microphones are a good choice for general-purpose recording and live sound reinforcement, while supercardioid microphones are better suited for more challenging environments where there is a lot of ambient noise and the sound source needs to be isolated more tightly. The SACD just seemed too in my face and bright. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by fluffskul, Apr 26, 2012. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. The overall DR between the 2 is very close. Alan Blumlien of EMI in the 1930’s patented analog stereo, to be first used on. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. The SACD format allows multiple audio channels (i. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Maybe no better overall than any other version. vinyl debate ultimately comes down to personal preference and the listening experience you seek. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. It's rather disingenuous to claim 150 dB dynamic range for CD audio. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. : AREP 517787. The 2003 hybrid SACD and the MFSL feature the original mix, but they have inferior sound to the JWH tracks which appear on. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Durability: SACDs are more durable and resistant to scratches compared to vinyl records. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. The newest stuff I have is Pixies, and that's late '80s to early '90s. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Head Gear. Vinyl. Two of the discs were mastered in MQA and two were SACD. It may still. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I received Hank Mobley, Mobley's Message and also Jackie. Followers 0SACD, DVD-A, vs CD. Usually, more attention was paid to the mastering of 50s and 60s LPs and currently, SACDs.